What Can Online Sellers Do?

seizure_ · 27-02-2009, 02:52 PM

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Pay for goods over MRT fare gate and get fined $2,000
By Vivien Chan
February 26, 2009

YOU put something up for sale on an auction website. You arrange to meet the buyer at an MRT station.

One of you is inside the fare gate, and the other is outside.

For convenience, you pass the item over the fare gate to the buyer, and he passes you the money.

Do you know that you can be fined up to $2,000 for doing that?

The New Paper found out that under SMRT regulations, it is an offence to conduct a business transaction over a fare gate.

Earlier this month, Rediffusion deejay Gan Yeok Thiam wrote about this issue in the forum page of a newspaper.

On 18 Jan this year, the 43-year-old was waiting for a friend at the Tampines MRT station when he saw a middle-aged man pass some pastries over the fare gate to some people on the other side.

'The man was carrying a basket with some Chinese New Year pastries inside,' Mr Gan told to The New Paper.

'Some people were buying the pastries from him, and they had planned to meet there.'

Mr Gan said the man was inside the paid area of the MRT station, while the buyers were on the other side.

He saw the man hand over a box of pastries to a buyer who then paid him.

At this point, two SMRT employees approached the man. Mr Gan said he overheard them telling the man that he was not allowed to sell items over the fare gate.

So the man tapped his ez-link card and went out into the station's unpaid area.

There, he continued his dealing with his buyers.

Again, another two SMRT employees approached him, Mr Gan claimed.

'They looked like they were going to chase him away, so he quickly finished what he was doing and went back into the (paid area of the) MRT station.'

Curious, Mr Gan approached the man to find out more. The man told him he had done transactions over the fare gate before, but that was the first time he had been warned by SMRT staff.

When contacted, an SMRT spokesman confirmed it is indeed against their regulations to conduct business transactions over the fare gate.

The spokesman said the maximum penalty for such an offence is a $2,000 fine.

When asked if transactions are allowed if both parties are in the paid area, or the unpaid area, a spokesman for the Land Transport Authority (LTA) said: 'Other factors such as the effect of business or trade on passenger flow, safety and security considerations are taken into consideration.'

So far, no one has been fined as most commuters heed the advice given by the SMRT staff.

Is this necessary?

So why is there a need for such a rule?

The LTA spokesman said: 'The purpose of the rapid transit system is to transport passengers.

'Hence, the regulation discourages the carrying of goods or articles for the purpose of trade or business, unless the article or good is taken by a person through the fare gate.'

But Mr Gan feels the rule is too stringent.

'It's not as if the man was soliciting for buyers at the station,' he pointed out.

'We're living in difficult times now. Shouldn't we be more compassionate towards people who are just trying hard to make a simple living?'

Do commuters know about the rule?

Of the 16 whom The New Paper spoke to, 11 did not know about the rule, while 12 of the 16 were not bothered about it.

But Mr Ragendran, 26, an operations leader, supported the rule, saying that it's reasonable, as 'it will inconvenience others if such transactions are carried out'.

Additional reporting by Darren Foong and Han Su-Ying, newsroom interns

I think some online sellers will be affected by this. are you?

EarthlyScents · 01-03-2009, 06:45 PM

SMRT is too rigid. I mean, ok sellers should step out of the paid-area to do their transactions but why is it that SMRT doesn't allow people to hand over goods out of the station-control? It's dumb. Not all online sellers can do delivery from door-to-door. Not all can employ despatch services. Hence, sellers arrange the pick-up point at MRT stations where it's easy for both sellers and buyers. Moreover, SMRT doesn't place signs which warn people of such regulations and penalties. I wonder if the government can help online-sellers to ease this problem.

ChinChic · 02-03-2009, 12:16 PM

i've done that quite a no of times... well for now i'm just gonna act blur

pokerface · 02-03-2009, 03:25 PM

oh dear..

i only know that you can be fined if you wait too long at the mrt (whether inside or outside)..

XavieraLin · 02-03-2009, 05:14 PM

Oh my god like that also can ...

seizure_ · 02-03-2009, 10:39 PM

I just did 2 transactions today at different MRT stations. for my 1st transaction, because there's only 1 gantry exit, I was contemplating whether to exit the station or not.

just as I was waiting for my customer to come, I saw the attendant looking at me already lol..

judging from the situation, I don't want to risk anythings so I tapped out of the station to deal outside, just in case anything happened

ohyahor · 27-04-2009, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by pokerface

oh dear..

i only know that you can be fined if you wait too long at the mrt (whether inside or outside)..

Ya, I was fined b4 many yrs back waited for my friends long sitting in the chair inside the station didn't come out till my friends arrived (forget how long think more than 15 mins) , got deducted more amount from the cards think it's 2 - 3 dollars or so forgot as too long ago liao hee.... So not sure how much will be deducted or any changes to the rules now.......

01-03-2009, 06:45 PM	#2
EarthlyScents Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Ghim Moh Rd Posts: 89 My Reputation: Points: 10/ Rep Power: 17	Re: What Can Online Sellers Do? SMRT is too rigid. I mean, ok sellers should step out of the paid-area to do their transactions but why is it that SMRT doesn't allow people to hand over goods out of the station-control? It's dumb. Not all online sellers can do delivery from door-to-door. Not all can employ despatch services. Hence, sellers arrange the pick-up point at MRT stations where it's easy for both sellers and buyers. Moreover, SMRT doesn't place signs which warn people of such regulations and penalties. I wonder if the government can help online-sellers to ease this problem.

02-03-2009, 12:16 PM	#3
ChinChic Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: The little Red Dot Posts: 54 My Reputation: Points: 10/ Rep Power: 17	Re: What Can Online Sellers Do? i've done that quite a no of times... well for now i'm just gonna act blur

02-03-2009, 03:25 PM	#4
pokerface Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Singapore Posts: 344 My Reputation: Points: 11/ Rep Power: 17	Re: What Can Online Sellers Do? oh dear.. i only know that you can be fined if you wait too long at the mrt (whether inside or outside).. __________________ "My hands are the tools that God blessed me with so I may work creatively"

02-03-2009, 05:14 PM	#5
XavieraLin Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Tampines Posts: 256 My Reputation: Points: 10/ Rep Power: 18	Re: What Can Online Sellers Do? Oh my god like that also can ... __________________ Crystal Dollies(Handmade With Love)

02-03-2009, 10:39 PM	#6
seizure_ Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Jurong West Posts: 8 My Reputation: Points: 10/ Rep Power: 0	Re: What Can Online Sellers Do? I just did 2 transactions today at different MRT stations. for my 1st transaction, because there's only 1 gantry exit, I was contemplating whether to exit the station or not. just as I was waiting for my customer to come, I saw the attendant looking at me already lol.. judging from the situation, I don't want to risk anythings so I tapped out of the station to deal outside, just in case anything happened

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